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Post by xio on Feb 6, 2019 21:06:34 GMT
I'd like to use this thread to lay down ideas for a White Mystery School/Religious Order.
This is an idea I've been thinking about for years and have done a fair amount of study relating to it.
I got to this forum through Aarvoll's YouTube channel. After reading the rules, I thought this would be a good place to share these ideas.I tend towards a perennial spiritual approach, but more specially believe in the necessity of a new or renewed Western spiritual/religious system.
I plan on explaining what the organization would believe. Who it would be made up of. And what it would do.
I've have some pre-written material but much of this will be taken from hand written notes that I've been compiling.
If I have permission to proceed here, I will start writing. If there is a better place to share and/or discuss such an idea, please direct me there.
thank you in advance
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Post by Napoleoff (INTP) on Feb 7, 2019 19:30:43 GMT
I will ask for a second opinion on your question and then get back to you. Check back within the next few days and I will try to have an answer for you.
What Ken said.
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Post by Ken (INTJ) on Feb 7, 2019 20:39:23 GMT
I'd like to use this thread to lay down ideas for a White Mystery School/Religious Order. This is an idea I've been thinking about for years and have done a fair amount of study relating to it. I got to this forum through Aarvoll's YouTube channel. After reading the rules, I thought this would be a good place to share these ideas.I tend towards a perennial spiritual approach, but more specially believe in the necessity of a new or renewed Western spiritual/religious system. I plan on explaining what the organization would believe. Who it would be made up of. And what it would do. I've have some pre-written material but much of this will be taken from hand written notes that I've been compiling. If I have permission to proceed here, I will start writing. If there is a better place to share and/or discuss such an idea, please direct me there. thank you in advance XiO Feel free to post anything in the off topic section as long as it does not violate the global rules. The forum has reached a nadir where our last round had only two participants -- myself and Napoleoff. At its height we had maybe 30 people involved. My guess is that in a few years Aarvoll will be able to focus his attention back on this academy. I'm not aware of any other good forums, at all. If I did, I would direct you there. But feel free to post here. |
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Post by xio on Feb 7, 2019 22:30:37 GMT
I decided to save you all my 30 page autistic vision for this concise summary instead.
The kind of Order I envision would be one dedicated to White Well Being; but one that is 100% dedicated to resolving these questions with peaceful-pacifistic means. This is not a warrior cult. They would be closer to the Dominicans. The highest good of the Order would be death in the service of White Well Being. Martyrdom would be the highest honor but only like the early Christian martyrs and not the Islamic variety.
These men would go into the public sphere with reasoned, compassionate, and well thought out arguments in favor of white well being. They would request and engage in respectful dialog with those who oppose it. Engaging in dialog with the other will be important. The Order will request meetings with globalists, Jews, SJWs, non-whites and try to find some way of discussing the on-going program of White Erasure. Try to figure out together why White humans are being denied the right to boundaries, exclusion, and free association; when every other human group on the planet are not denied these. We'll try to come to some solution that will be advantageous to all.
I envision this as an order of single men. The reason for single men is that single men have less to lose. I especially believe this Order should be marketed to single men who can't be in, or don't want to be in, relationships with women. Men like this used to be adsorbed by vocations in Catholic Church. Now we have MGTOWs, incels, volcels, homos, micro-penes, Vox Day's "gamma males," divorcees and reformed PUAs that need something to do. In some primitive cultures, it was the disordered that were pushed into shamanic roles.
I'm not saying the Order will take just anyone. This would be an ascetic order. Before you could be sent into the public for service you would have to show mastery of over your emotions and appetites. One would spend years developing and doing the "inner work" that is emphasized in monastic communities.
Other roles of the Order would depend on need, but would be similar to what Catholic Holy Orders do. Running a soup kitchen in the white squatter camps of South Africa. Working with families hit by the opiate epidemic in the Rust Belt or Rural areas. Or lets say the Order receives intelligence that grooming gangs are operating on the level seen in England in recent years. The police and political leaders won't do anything. Members of the Order will go there and first of all, just be with the families and listen to them; but also start investigating and when things are learned, start bringing attention to it. There were fathers of raped girls in England told basically to shut up and threatened if they spoke. The members of the Order would be relied upon to speak when people are too scared.
These men would welcome financial ruin, social isolation, physical harm, and even death. But unlike the Christian martyrs, who thought they were going to heaven for their sacrifices, the Order that I describe would be willing to bleed and die while admitting that they don't know what happens after death. This is a man who is willing to face the eternal dirt nap for White well-being. I'm talking about someone that would go onto a college campus to make a well reasoned argument, by themselves, on why Whites shouldn't be wiped from the map; with the expectation of being beaten to death by antifa.
The Blood of Martyrs are the seeds of the White Church.
peace be with you
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Post by Ainsworth on Feb 8, 2019 0:03:03 GMT
I decided to save you all my 30 page autistic vision for this concise summary instead. The kind of Order I envision would be one dedicated to White Well Being; but one that is 100% dedicated to resolving these questions with peaceful-pacifistic means. This is not a warrior cult. They would be closer to the Franciscans. The highest good of the Order would be death in the service of White Well Being. Martyrdom would be the highest honor but only like the early Christian martyrs and not the Islamic variety. These men would go into the public sphere with reasoned, compassionate, and well thought out arguments in favor of white well being. They would request and engage in respectful dialog with those who oppose it. Engaging in dialog with the other will be important. The Order will request meetings with globalists, Jews, SJWs, non-whites and try to find some way of discussing this. Try to figure out together why White humans are being denied the right to boundaries, exclusion, and free association; when every other human group on the planet are not denied these. We'll try to come to some solution that will be advantageous to all. I envision this as an order of single men. The reason for single men is that single men have less to lose. I especially believe this Order should be marketed to single men who can't be in, or don't want to be in, relationships with women. Men like this used to be adsorbed by vocations in Catholic Church. Now we have MGTOWs, incels, volcels, homos, and reformed PUAs that need something to do. In some primitive cultures, it was the disordered that were pushed into shamanic roles. I'm not saying the Order will take just anyone. This would be an ascetic order. Before you could be sent into the public for service you would have to show mastery of over your emotions and appetites. One would spend years developing and doing the "inner work" that is emphasized in monastic communities. Other roles of the Order would depend on need, but would be similar to what Catholic Holy Orders do. Running a soup kitchen in the white squatter camps of South Africa. Working with families hit by the opiate epidemic in the Rust Belt or Rural areas. Or lets say the Order receives intelligence that grooming gangs are operating on the level seen in England in recent years. The police and political leaders won't do anything. Members of the Order will go there and first of all, just be with the families and listen to them; but also start investigating and when things are learned, start bringing attention to it. There were fathers of raped girls in England told basically to shut up and threatened if they spoke. The members of the Order would be relied upon to speak when people are too scared. These men would welcome financial ruin, social isolation, physical harm, and even death. But unlike the Christian martyrs, who thought they were going to heaven for their sacrifices, the Order that I describe would be willing to bleed and die while admitting that they don't know what happens after death. This is a man who is willing to face the eternal dirt nap for White well-being. I'm talking about someone that would go onto a college campus to make a well reasoned argument, by themselves, on why Whites shouldn't be wiped from the map, with the expectation of being beaten to death by antifa. The Blood of Martyrs is the seed of the White Church. peace be with you You basically want to create an army of self-sacrificing Ryan Faulks. I don't think that we'll be able to save ourselves by convincing the elite and people that aren't white. How would you try to convince one of these people? I think our best chance is what Aarvoll often recommends, building a society within the society. Of course, he and Ken aren't white nationalists, I am. |
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Post by xio on Feb 8, 2019 1:18:38 GMT
You basically want to create an army of self-sacrificing Ryan Faulks. I don't think that we'll be able to save ourselves by convincing the elite and people that aren't white. How would you try to convince one of these people? I think our best chance is what Aarvoll often recommends, building a society within the society. Of course, he and Ken aren't white nationalists, I am. Thank you for replying, I don't know anything about Ryan Faulk. As far as convincing the groups I mentioned, what I'm talking about is cooperation. For example, if the non-white left takes over in America, Israel will be hurt. If the Jews get behind white well being, we'll promise to always prefer Israel to its enemies. If the Jews want to build the 2nd temple, I say "Mozel tov." Maybe some American Evangelicals want to help Israel colonize the middle east? Amen I say. Amen I tell you. More importantly is that people see this Order of White peace-necks being beaten and killed in the name of White well being. This Order of kind, reasonable, soft spoken men who swear to a doctrine of non-violence; they who are more tolerant than most; more respectful and compassionate; getting beaten and killed by antifa because they dare suggest that White humans have the right to spaces and institutions of their own; like every other human group. It's the imitation of Christ's way towards white well being. |
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Post by Ainsworth on Feb 8, 2019 1:45:02 GMT
Thank you for replying, I don't know anything about Ryan Faulk. As far as convincing the groups I mentioned, what I'm talking about is cooperation. For example, if the non-white left takes over in America, Israel will be hurt. If the Jews get behind white well being, we'll promise to always prefer Israel to its enemies. But this isn't the important part. The important part is that people see this Order of White peace-necks being beaten and killed in the name of White well being. This Order of kind, reasonable, soft spoken men who swear to a doctrine of non-violence; they who are more tolerant than most; more respectful and compassionate; getting beaten and killed by antifa because they dare suggest that White humans have the right to spaces and institutions of their own; like every other human group. It's the imitation of Christ's way towards white well being. I don't know where you live, but in the United States people are fairly polarized. Neither side is particularly shaken or bothered by the suffering and deaths of the other side. Would we be convincing white leftists? White centrists? There's a tremendous amount of sadistic intent among the elite towards us. They're perfectly aware of the demographic projections and loudspeakers of the elite usually report it with polite positivity at best, gleeful mocking of white people and fantasizing about bringing the boot down on our necks at worst. Would we be appealing to politically unaware white conservatives who still buy into individualistic platitudes? Maybe that can work. I don't know what you're hoping to achieve by posting here about it, though. I doubt Ken will respond because this sort of thing doesn't seem to interest him, Aarvoll is very busy with his life and family, and the forum is entering into hibernation if not outright dying. I'm partially at fault for that, maybe I'll contribute to the next round. |
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Post by xio on Feb 8, 2019 1:55:52 GMT
I don't know where you live, but in the United States people are fairly polarized. Neither side is particularly shaken or bothered by the suffering and deaths of the other side. Would we be convincing white leftists? White centrists? There's a tremendous amount of sadistic intent among the elite towards us. They're perfectly aware of the demographic projections and loudspeakers of the elite usually report it with polite positivity at best, gleeful mocking of white people and fantasizing about bringing the boot down on our necks at worst. Would we be appealing to politically unaware white conservatives who still buy into individualistic platitudes? Maybe that can work. I don't know what you're hoping to achieve by posting here about it, though. I doubt Ken will respond because this sort of thing doesn't seem to interest him, Aarvoll is very busy with his life and family, and the forum is entering into hibernation if not outright dying. I'm partially at fault for that, maybe I'll contribute to the next round. You're probably right. I'll just leave it at that. Thank you for your time. |
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Post by Ainsworth on Feb 8, 2019 2:05:12 GMT
You're probably right. I'll just leave it at that. Thank you for your time. I mean, I don't mean to chase you off. This place could definitely use some new blood. I just don't have much more to add to your proposal. Maybe it would work. I have no idea. I'm not the brightest bulb in the box. |
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Post by xio on Feb 9, 2019 15:37:13 GMT
You're probably right. I'll just leave it at that. Thank you for your time. I mean, I don't mean to chase you off. This place could definitely use some new blood. I just don't have much more to add to your proposal. Maybe it would work. I have no idea. I'm not the brightest bulb in the box. You're very generous. I just wanted to get it out there, it wasn't really a serious proposal. And when it comes down to it, if someone is suggesting something nearing a suicide cult, I guess the person making the proposal should put his money where his mouth is. |
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Post by xio on Feb 9, 2019 20:20:20 GMT
You're very generous. I just wanted to get it out there, it wasn't really a serious proposal. And when it comes down to it, if someone is suggesting something nearing a suicide cult, I guess the person making the proposal should put his money where his mouth is. |
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Post by Napoleoff (INTP) on Feb 9, 2019 22:33:38 GMT
This is the internet, so we're not just talking about "sea to shining sea" as in America. There's a global threat to white wellbeing in all countries including in the aboriginal homelands of whites. What you've suggested with respect to martyrs and peaceful approach has occurred to me, and these things will certainly have to play an important part in our future if we are to survive. However I do not think Gandhi's movement or the Catholic Church are exactly functionally analogous to your proposed white church for a few reasons.
1) The control exercised by the British Empire over India was overt and military, whereas we are dealing now with a cryptocracy whose rule was cemented and is maintained through subterfuge that has consciously infected our culture down to the deepest metaphysical level. Our very religion was infiltrated and inverted by these powers which are concealed or protected behind several layers of culture, language, propaganda, myth, metaphysics, religion, global finance, political fronts, controlled opposition, subtle and advanced psychological conditioning and manipulation, and the terraforming/seeding of our homelands with burgeoning and self-reproducing hostile elements some of which have their own sophisticated metaphysic and cultural narrative and racial milieu (Islamic populations are one example) creating an unholy mess and yet another layer for the real powers to hide behind. Also, because of these metaphysical subterfuges and for more general reasons of racial difference and cultural difference and collective incentives, whites should not expect to receive the same sympathy from non-whites as whites showed to the non-whites (although fellow whites could be brought onside) because they may not get such sympathy.
2) The Catholic Church had an actual religious element, belief in the supernatural and punishments or rewards after death. These are things worth dying for and the fact that it retains these elements is also a good part of the reason why Islam is currently so strong. Spiritual conditioning to martyr oneself for an arbitrary cause like white wellbeing would most likely not be effective for men who don't believe in a nonphysical spiritual realm. There are other routes for such men and even if those routes entail converting to Islam and getting a brown wife, without the belief in the objective supernatural element most men (especially the ones you refer to as "disordered") will take the Islam and the brown children instead of the "eternal dirt nap" for the sake of something material and perishable (whiteness). I suspect that whites have nothing that can replace Christ, because Christ has been the beating heart of our people and the binding force of our civilization for almost 2000 years and during this time we developed our culture around worshipping Christ. The West, roughly corresponding to "Christendom", has been a spiritual husk since, and insofar as, it has rejected this most integral part of itself. There might be another way for whites to survive in the long term, but without a good and substantial Christian revival among whites we should not expect the current civilization to survive.
However, there are some aspects of your idea that will be integral to our collective salvation, and some roles will definitely need to be filled in the way you propose. For example, somebody will need to speak out for the victimized white children, help afflicted whites in any troubled part of the world, bring important things to public attention etc. Yes you are definitely on to something even if the form it takes might not be exactly what you envisage.
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Post by xio on Apr 14, 2019 1:51:01 GMT
Since I plan on being off the internet for some time I thought I add some more critical information regarding the religious order I envision; just in case I die. Before I said that it would be made up off men who, for whatever reason, are not able or do not wish to sustain a relationship with women. Now I say that women must also be part of the order. I was listening to a show by Jared of the Great Order (3) when he was talking to some kind of Priestess involved in a neo-folk religion. She said something to the effect of "some people are closer to the gods than they are with people" and therefore never get married or have families. I realized that women like this must also be part of this order. In all the Catholic orders there are women's orders. Women are absolutely necessary and will be equal to men within the order. Males and females are equal in the order because males and females are both 50% necessary for the creation of human life. When people start living in communities, sex segregation is necessary, as seen in the Catholic orders. Single people are a resource that must be utilized. All humans have a desire to see their genetic material advanced. The men and women of this order will channel that desire through the advancement of the bio-spirit currently known as "White" (or Western-kind). To men, perhaps every rejection you received from a woman was the God(s) speaking through her telling you that They intend you a different path. The same for women; every time a man abandoned you, the God(s) were telling you to look elsewhere for advancing the bio spirit. The God(s) (or Nature if you like) made you for a purpose. I say, unleash the incels, volcels, MGTOWs, homos, autists, creeps, weirdos, Vets with PTSD, personality disordered, Forever Alones (1), Vox Day's "gamma males"(2),bitter divorcees, spinsters, cat ladies, bull d1kes and reformed PUAs/sluts in the (properly channeled) service to White well being; always towards the creation of the Great White Intergalactic Art Project; the great White Kingdom of Heavenly Asgard. These are people who don't fit in the regular social-sexual hierarchy. They would acknowledge that they are freaks that live outside the regular hierarchy but dedicate themselves to the work of strengthening the natural hierarchy. There's a quite funny English gentlemen named Dr. Dutton who has a show called the "Jolly Heretic" (4) in which he discussed the evolutionary reasons for homosexuality and even pedophilia. He described how primitive tribes would make their homos into shamans. He discusses the most disgusting rites of passage that these homo and pedo priests would come up with to basically have an excuse to have sexual encounters with children or teen boys. I will make this very clear right now: The order that I envision SHOULD NEVER be involved with caring for kids directly. What I mean is, the order will never run a grade/high school or orphanage, or summer camp. Because the Priesthood would be made up of people from dysfunctional families, it might start off with the best intentions, but eventually it will be infiltrated by pedos. Any rites or rituals performed by the order will not include any "altar boys" or "altar girls". The order will serve White children from a far or in public (like in a community ritual). This order of crazy Uncles and Aunts will serve children from a far but place children first. To build the best future possible, children must be raised in stable, nurturing, and positive environments. Harm a child and you harm the future. Anyone in the order found harming a child will be punished medievally. Trafficking or grooming a child for exploitation and/or ritual abuse will bring the Blood Eagle ceremony. In the future, the most heinous crimes committed against White children (by anyone; in the order or outside) should bring a penalty of death by Blood Eagle. There will be people in the order that specialize in this work. Yes, even sadistic people with anti-social personality disorder will have a place in the order specializing in this ritual; thus finding a healthy outlet for a disorder that most would see as having no positive utility for society as a whole. (1) www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0CRUAGG-cU(2) www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhTFkUpB8zc(3) www.youtube.com/channel/UC1izZB-3orikuFxaj_SwsNw(4) www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMEHy39ANAQ |
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Post by xio on Apr 15, 2019 13:18:30 GMT
Vox Day's (1) Gamma Males as natural Priests, ascetics. Vox Day preaches much on the subject of Gamma Males. The men he describes are perfect candidates for the religious order priest class that I envision. They are feminized men. They don't fit in the natural social sexual hierarchy because they're more like women. They don't belong in the male dominance hierarchy and obviously not in women's either. Vox claims their fear of rejection comes from an overly critical father figure. This is probably true; but their feminized operating system is the result of the mother being greatly more dominant in the relationship compared to the father. The mother gets what she wants much more often. The reason women want to "punch gamma's in the face" (2) is that gamma's know how to play the female guile game. In fact, it's not a game but an operating system. The 1998 Movie Merlin starting Sam Neill dramatized this perfectly. Merlin was the creation of a damaged woman and could never sustain a long tern relationship with women. He chose the war with his mother over his girlfriend (obsession with mother makes long term relationships with women more difficult). Vox Day (and his understudy Owen Benjamin) preach against Wizardry, and are correct in connecting Gammas to wizardry.(3) . The feminized (neurotic) male is a perfect candidate for an ascetic Order because the storm (emotion) within can be regulated through ascetic practices and channeled into a higher purpose; thus making the magus able able to regulate the storms without. Vox Day claims "Gamma's love order and Rules" (4). I think this is true; gamma males know they need a strict order to keep them in-line; for their personal health (not living through their stomachs see St. Anthony) , but also, due to being gammas, they know they'll butt up against authority. Catholic orders required a vow of "Obedience" for this reason. Vox claims gamma males are romantics. Romanticism is a quality that priests have to have in abundance compared to the masses. Vox admits that gammas are smarter than average and many times subject matter experts, but overall he's quite negative on them. I disagree with his conclusion. I believe the God(s) created gammas for a reason. I believe they are meant to be priests, ascetics, and artists. The religion that used to absorb them is fading away (but I wouldn't count it out). The people who build the new religion(s) will be people outside the normal hierarchy. I won't say Christ was a gamma male but he was outside the regular social sexual hierarchy (unmarried in his 30's). He also fought against the ethno-religious authorities and their laws and literally claimed authority from the Supreme Deity Himself. His mother was clearly more dominant in his life than his stepfather Joe. And as a lesson to those reading this who may be outside the hierarchy themselves; remember that Christ changed the world more than any man by letting Himself be executed by the state while preaching His message. What are you willing to be destroyed for? (1) voxday.blogspot.com/(2) youtu.be/vhTFkUpB8zc?t=458(3) www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT0kzbNXvng(4) www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YUFtsN1coo |
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Post by xio on Apr 20, 2019 13:31:23 GMT
Steve Bannon just bought a monastery with some other financiers. They want to build an academy to train populist leaders based on the 'Judeo-Christian tradition.' www.newyorker.com/news/dispatch/steve-bannons-roman-holidayMy question is what the spiritual activity will look like in Bannon's monastery? Will they have a "Judeo-Christian" observance of the Holy Hours? If they chant the psalms, this would qualify as Judeo-Christian. Will they pray in the name of the Holy Trinity, Jesus Christ, or just Heavenly Father? This is only the beginning of this activity. Mystery cults and Initiatic organizations are going to become more common. I realize that this is more of a school than a religious order or cult, but I don't think this is Cpac with nice art around either. |
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